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Tim Martin vs Owen Jones
https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...uestions-video
Great video clip neatly sums up all that is wrong about almost everything, Owen Jones sneering at success, then talking to other people sneering at Wetherspoons customers. Finally Wetherspoons customers, drinking cheap ale at Wetherspoons complaining about Tim Martin getting rich and not paying his staff enough.
I don't like Tim Martin, but you can't deny that he has been very successful, and despite my snobbery, to quote Simon & Garfunkel, "I must admit, I took some refuge there". In many towns they are the only place with a decent pint.
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Formby Wetherspoons is really rather posh.
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Originally Posted by Albion102
I don't like Tim Martin, but you can't deny that he has been very successful
I'd go along with that.
He seems to be the media's only go to businessman for Brexit views now that Dyson has shown his true colours.
I can't understand what he has against the EU businesswise. His decision to replace European products with others has a smell of Europhobia about it. Much in keeping with the political leaders of Brexit although he might upset many Tories if he keeps selling Russian vodka.
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My t'other half spent 6 hours with three farming girlfriends last week and didn't spend £20 each. Twelve Tellers at Preston. Many of the sites are excellent. Get what you pay for and good value
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It seems to be a British trait to knock successful people.
I don't subscribe to Tim Martin's political views and I don't think he should use his pubs as soap boxes (although he has every right to do so) to peddle his agenda.
But there's no denying that his formula has been a great success and has been of benefit to those who want to go out for a no-frills meal and drink.
Martin has always said that his pubs pay the same for beer as other pubs, the difference being that Wetherspoons "make a quick sixpence" when other pubs "make a slow shilling". I don't know whether that's true or not, but it seems to be the same philosophy as Sir Jack Cohen's "pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap".
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Originally Posted by Lamparilla
It seems to be a British trait to knock successful people.
I don't subscribe to Tim Martin's political views and I don't think he should use his pubs as soap boxes (although he has every right to do so) to peddle his agenda.
But there's no denying that his formula has been a great success and has been of benefit to those who want to go out for a no-frills meal and drink.
Martin has always said that his pubs pay the same for beer as other pubs, the difference being that Wetherspoons "make a quick sixpence" when other pubs "make a slow shilling". I don't know whether that's true or not, but it seems to be the same philosophy as Sir Jack Cohen's "pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap".
I've heard that Wetherspoons are vey tight on the prices paid, they want big discounts on volume and if you don't comply you get frozen out.
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Originally Posted by Alikado
I've heard that Wetherspoons are vey tight on the prices paid, they want big discounts on volume and if you don't comply you get frozen out.
Yes, that's the common belief (or urban myth?). but Tim Martin is on record as saying that he pays the same as other pubs.
So either he's lying, or it may be a case of sour grapes from his competition. There was a case a few years ago in the annual Christmas supply of those large tins of Quality Street, Cadbury's Roses etc. One of the major suppliers (possibly Nestle?) refused to supply Tesco because they were undercutting other supermarkets - so Tesco were buying at the same price as everyone else, but selling on a lower margin.
I'm not a Tim Martin supporter, but unless somebody can prove that Wetherspoon do this, who knows? In any case, even if they do, the brewers don't have to supply Wetherspoons if they don't want to. The same applies in Aldi and Lidl - you don't see the big brands in there, presumably because the manufacturers won't supply at the prices that Aldi and Lidl want.
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I've read that 'Spoons buy large volumes of beer that's close to the sell-by date. Selling it cheaply means it'll go quickly enough. I don't mind the pubs. You know what you're getting, the food isn't great, but it's cheap.
The daytime clientele are usually quite 'colourful', as seen in that video. Neither Martin nor Jones covered themselves with glory in the interview. Martin not being able to point out a single EU law he didn't like. Jones not pursuing that, so switching to employees pay instead. While there is a case to answer for on the pay front, it wasn't the reason for the interview.
It would have made an interesting change for a businessman Brexiteer to actually spell out his reasons for wanting to leave in detail, instead of the usual 'EU Bad' grunts.
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Wetherspoons pay their (largely unskilled) staff the same as most other retailers: minimum wage. I'd rather pull pints for £8 an hour than wipe people's backsides in a care home.
It would be nice if they'd pay the Living Wage instead but I'm sure the result would be increased prices, not a cut in Mr Martin's profits.
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Originally Posted by Albion102
https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...uestions-video
Great video clip neatly sums up all that is wrong about almost everything, Owen Jones sneering at success, then talking to other people sneering at Wetherspoons customers. Finally Wetherspoons customers, drinking cheap ale at Wetherspoons complaining about Tim Martin getting rich and not paying his staff enough.
I don't like Tim Martin, but you can't deny that he has been very successful, and despite my snobbery, to quote Simon & Garfunkel, "I must admit, I took some refuge there". In many towns they are the only place with a decent pint.
Where in the clip were the people sneering at the customers? Genuine question, didn't see it.
"You can't deny he has been very sucessful".... Did anyone deny it? Jones certainly didn't, he acknowledged it.
Martin has suceeded by exploiting his staff. We see people drinking cheap ale and displaying an awareness of who is making money in that transaction. People sell their labour and surplus value is extracted. Why is a punter understanding that a problem?
Tim Martin is evasive and ends the interview rather than respond to questions put to him. Not a good look.
Last edited by Polly Trott; 27/01/2019 at 09:43 PM.
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I admire Tim Martin - he has his head screwed on right anyway.His outlets are always busy. Did you know that he is in fact a qualified barrister?
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Originally Posted by said
I admire Tim Martin - he has his head screwed on right anyway.His outlets are always busy. Did you know that he is in fact a qualified barrister?
Thats how they started up, he and a couple of others got fed up of going to noisy pubs selling crap beer for a lunchtime pint and a talk they opened up in an old Post Office banning Juke Boxes & Fruit Machines. It was an immediate success selling decent beer at decent prices and value food in no time they had 3 or 4 outlets around London.
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I don't want this to turn into a Tim Martin appreciation thread, but he did have a knack of turning old empty buildings into interesting pubs. There was an old cinema in Norwich that had then been a bingo hall, and had been standing empty for years. They curtained off the circle and used what had been the stalls as the pub.
Another one is at Waverley Station in Edinburgh - it's the old ticket office.
Just going back to the other points - obviously Wetherspoons make money on the food, and on the big mark-ups on soft drinks, coffee etc., so the draught beer may be something of a loss leader.
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Originally Posted by Lamparilla
I don't want this to turn into a Tim Martin appreciation thread, but he did have a knack of turning old empty buildings into interesting pubs. There was an old cinema in Norwich that had then been a bingo hall, and had been standing empty for years. They curtained off the circle and used what had been the stalls as the pub.
Another one is at Waverley Station in Edinburgh - it's the old ticket office.
Just going back to the other points - obviously Wetherspoons make money on the food, and on the big mark-ups on soft drinks, coffee etc., so the draught beer may be something of a loss leader.
I think they target premises of a certain size in good locations that are going cheap as their previous use has declined / disappeared, premises such as Theatres, Cinemas & Post Offices.
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The Twelve Tellers in Preston is a lovely grade II listed building and used to be a bank.
The Leyland Lion also a great building, ex post office and named after vehicles made by Leyland Motors.
Food all day is a plus
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